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		<title>By: -fCh-</title>
		<link>http://snark05.com/2010/07/kashmir-centric-agricultural-plans-and-visions-for-food-security/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>-fCh-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the questions that pops up is:  How does the author measure survivors?  

Measuring points: 
1) Right after the accident at Chernobyl;
vs.
2) Several years after the accident--when one can argue that whatever species is measured has learned to live with increased levels of radiation. 

In other words, who wants to be first/nearest to the blast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the questions that pops up is:  How does the author measure survivors?  </p>
<p>Measuring points:<br />
1) Right after the accident at Chernobyl;<br />
vs.<br />
2) Several years after the accident&#8211;when one can argue that whatever species is measured has learned to live with increased levels of radiation. </p>
<p>In other words, who wants to be first/nearest to the blast?</p>
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		<title>By: mikescottnz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikescottnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anywhere outside of mainland USA  might seem almost &#039;socialist&#039; in such major abstracted, capitalist &#039;social entrepeneurial&#039; company?USA though is too much an apologist for biotech&#039; or gmos or the human genome project (eg the Celera company keeping patents) so others cant do research easily without costing the earth.

Costa Rica does sound visionary if we are to accept or believe the first paragraph fully.Perhaps USA could take a leaf from its book re ecotourism and such like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anywhere outside of mainland USA  might seem almost &#8216;socialist&#8217; in such major abstracted, capitalist &#8216;social entrepeneurial&#8217; company?USA though is too much an apologist for biotech&#8217; or gmos or the human genome project (eg the Celera company keeping patents) so others cant do research easily without costing the earth.</p>
<p>Costa Rica does sound visionary if we are to accept or believe the first paragraph fully.Perhaps USA could take a leaf from its book re ecotourism and such like?</p>
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		<title>By: KW_LEONG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KW_LEONG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great read, awesome monkey

The World Through My Eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great read, awesome monkey</p>
<p>The World Through My Eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Liping Yang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liping Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice shot!
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/the_world_through_my_eyes/&quot;&gt; The World Through My Eyes&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice shot!<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/the_world_through_my_eyes/"> The World Through My Eyes</a></p>
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		<title>By: jurvetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurvetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh...  thanks!

and thank for the links complexify!

Magical sight, even stepping back,,,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/4283312195/&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4283312195_90dc09234a.jpg&quot; width=&quot;500&quot; height=&quot;333&quot; alt=&quot;Four Season Papagayo&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh&#8230;  thanks!</p>
<p>and thank for the links complexify!</p>
<p>Magical sight, even stepping back,,,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/4283312195/"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4283312195_90dc09234a.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Four Season Papagayo" /></a></p>
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		<title>By: rass999</title>
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		<dc:creator>rass999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exept for the fact he is hanging by his tail (I would not dare to try to do that)  he looks just like me (in my best days).  Nice picture Steve.

denis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exept for the fact he is hanging by his tail (I would not dare to try to do that)  he looks just like me (in my best days).  Nice picture Steve.</p>
<p>denis</p>
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		<title>By: complexify.</title>
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		<dc:creator>complexify.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the pleasure of hearing Stewart Brand discuss his book in NYC a few months ago.  His arguments on nuclear are of course provocative to many, but to me the book&#039;s central point is that if we are to solve our massive problems, it&#039;s essential to keep our minds open to &quot;heretical&quot; views.

In that context, his mention of Kevin Kelly&#039;s &quot;Resist Culty Religion&quot; observation got a good response from the audience.  

If you haven&#039;t already, take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sbnotes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.sbnotes.com&lt;/a&gt;, his annotated bibliography/companion to the book.  Online, he explores the controversial &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.me.com/stewartbrand/DISCIPLINE_footnotes/Hormesis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hormesis&lt;/a&gt; hypothesis (some radiation is good for you) in more detail.

For anyone interested in more detail, the Long Now Foundation has one of his talks &lt;a href=&quot;http://foratv.vo.llnwd.net/o33/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/podcast-2009-10-09-brand.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online here  [41MB MP3]&lt;/a&gt;.

(Oh, and the photo is beautiful too, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the pleasure of hearing Stewart Brand discuss his book in NYC a few months ago.  His arguments on nuclear are of course provocative to many, but to me the book&#8217;s central point is that if we are to solve our massive problems, it&#8217;s essential to keep our minds open to &quot;heretical&quot; views.</p>
<p>In that context, his mention of Kevin Kelly&#8217;s &quot;Resist Culty Religion&quot; observation got a good response from the audience.  </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, take a look at <a href="http://www.sbnotes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbnotes.com</a>, his annotated bibliography/companion to the book.  Online, he explores the controversial <a href="http://web.me.com/stewartbrand/DISCIPLINE_footnotes/Hormesis.html" rel="nofollow">hormesis</a> hypothesis (some radiation is good for you) in more detail.</p>
<p>For anyone interested in more detail, the Long Now Foundation has one of his talks <a href="http://foratv.vo.llnwd.net/o33/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/podcast-2009-10-09-brand.mp3" rel="nofollow">online here  [41MB MP3]</a>.</p>
<p>(Oh, and the photo is beautiful too, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: jurvetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurvetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are total birth rates.  Brand was referring to sub-replacement fertility.  This is the critical demographic measure of whether a population is growing or shrinking geometrically over time (with the threshold of 2.1 children per woman, given early mortality rates).

The big picture, is that most of the developed world is facing a difficult demographic destiny (blue countries are sub-replacement), from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wikipedia:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Countriesbyfertilityrate.svg/500px-Countriesbyfertilityrate.svg.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

You can see reference to the U.S. and France at &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#The_American_exception&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this wikipedia page&lt;/a&gt;

Lilly Hunter: Small world.  Those Sami reindeer herders are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/672704235&quot;&gt;my peeps&lt;/a&gt;!  And if I am skimming the article right, the Sami killed less reindeer because of confusion and fear of radioactivity.  This hurt them economically.  But, they did not find evidence of health harm.  So even though that article was written with a tone of concern, it seems to support all of Brand&#039;s arguments: that fear of radiation is worse than radiation itself, and ironically, such fears help to protect animals from slaughter!

Summary of Brand&#039;s argument &lt;i&gt;on nuclear&lt;/i&gt;: the argument that a bit more radioactivity is good for you is one fringe argument.  Some parts of the world have background radiation 1000x the EPA regulated level for power plants, and the people living there are doing just fine.  So it&#039;s a question of degree.  An absolutist stance that &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; radiation is unacceptable, during generation or storage, is illogical in an context of tradeoffs. For Chernobyl, there are tradeoffs.  Some deleterious effects downwind were outweighed by the environmental benefits from simply halting routine human activity in the region (per the conclusion of the UN aftermath study).  Puts things in perspective.  And if you compare to the reigning alternative for generating that electricity —  coal — then there is no contest.   Coal&#039;s environmental and health risks are greater, global and long term.   France has the cleanest air in Europe, versus China, where the annual deaths are staggering. This is why scientists who dispassionately look at the data anew, with consistent logical frameworks across the alternatives, end up shifting pro-nuclear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are total birth rates.  Brand was referring to sub-replacement fertility.  This is the critical demographic measure of whether a population is growing or shrinking geometrically over time (with the threshold of 2.1 children per woman, given early mortality rates).</p>
<p>The big picture, is that most of the developed world is facing a difficult demographic destiny (blue countries are sub-replacement), from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate" rel="nofollow">wikipedia:</p>
<p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Countriesbyfertilityrate.svg/500px-Countriesbyfertilityrate.svg.png" /></a></p>
<p>You can see reference to the U.S. and France at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#The_American_exception" rel="nofollow">this wikipedia page</a></p>
<p>Lilly Hunter: Small world.  Those Sami reindeer herders are <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/672704235">my peeps</a>!  And if I am skimming the article right, the Sami killed less reindeer because of confusion and fear of radioactivity.  This hurt them economically.  But, they did not find evidence of health harm.  So even though that article was written with a tone of concern, it seems to support all of Brand&#8217;s arguments: that fear of radiation is worse than radiation itself, and ironically, such fears help to protect animals from slaughter!</p>
<p>Summary of Brand&#8217;s argument <i>on nuclear</i>: the argument that a bit more radioactivity is good for you is one fringe argument.  Some parts of the world have background radiation 1000x the EPA regulated level for power plants, and the people living there are doing just fine.  So it&#8217;s a question of degree.  An absolutist stance that <i>any</i> radiation is unacceptable, during generation or storage, is illogical in an context of tradeoffs. For Chernobyl, there are tradeoffs.  Some deleterious effects downwind were outweighed by the environmental benefits from simply halting routine human activity in the region (per the conclusion of the UN aftermath study).  Puts things in perspective.  And if you compare to the reigning alternative for generating that electricity —  coal — then there is no contest.   Coal&#8217;s environmental and health risks are greater, global and long term.   France has the cleanest air in Europe, versus China, where the annual deaths are staggering. This is why scientists who dispassionately look at the data anew, with consistent logical frameworks across the alternatives, end up shifting pro-nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: [togr]</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you have awesome shots and great commentary, but I wonder where Stewart Brand got his birthrate figures from.  According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate&lt;/a&gt; the USA is #139 and France #152 in the world.  The list of developed countries &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country&lt;/a&gt; includes Brunei (#87), Israel (#99), Kuwait (#117), Quatar (#127), UAE (#128), Ireland (#129), Iceland (#137) before USA, and furthermore New Zealand (#140), Australia (#149) and Cyprus (#151) before France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you have awesome shots and great commentary, but I wonder where Stewart Brand got his birthrate figures from.  According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate</a> the USA is #139 and France #152 in the world.  The list of developed countries <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country</a> includes Brunei (#87), Israel (#99), Kuwait (#117), Quatar (#127), UAE (#128), Ireland (#129), Iceland (#137) before USA, and furthermore New Zealand (#140), Australia (#149) and Cyprus (#151) before France.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi Tapio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomi Tapio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A darling little creature :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A darling little creature <img src='http://snark05.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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